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Okay so when we jumped XC on Saturday, Dundee would not let me touch his mouth at ALL. If I tried to slow him down or anything, he would get upset, buck, and just be disobedient you know? It's not a health problem, it's probably cause he's 20 and has schooled prelim and shown training level.. Our best jumps were when I had a lighttt contact and I just pointed him at a jump then let him do the rest. But I remember not too long ago someone critiqued me and told me "Not to be a passenger"
So yeah. Is it a bad thing to do when I'm jumping to just point Dundee at a jump, then let him do the rest? It normally ends up a lot better when I do that, but I don't know if that's correct..?
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My personal opinion is whatever works best for you and your horse. Every horse needs to be ridden in a different way. Even though I don't ride the same discipline, I've ridden several horses whose mouths I absolutely cannot touch, but they go just fine that way. It keeps them happy, keeps them going well, and it works. You're not a 'passenger'.
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If nothing needs to be done, don't do anything. If you're pulling at his mouth just to feel like you're doing domething, don't. If you need to fit in another stride or slow him, then sure. But why if you do better without it? Axel's kind of the same way, he's jumped enough to find a good distance on his own and get a good jump even if he has a bad distance. Every single rail we've knocked or times when he's stopped have been because I tried to fit in an extra stride where one didnt need to be (with the one exception of a really tight rollback where he was at the jump before he saw it, he stopped at that.) But with Welly, you had to be adjusting every stride and keep rein pressure so she knew you were there or she'd freak out. Ride your horse however it best works out, just don't expect it to be the same on the next one. Be prepared to make adjustments if they're needed, but if not then just enjoy the ride :)
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Well, I see two possible solutions to this problem.
1. Do it like you did, and stay on the horse.
2. Piss the horse off, and get launched up to heaven and past avalon.
Now, which ones sounds the most logical?
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If he's not being a total nutcase and blowing you off completely, I think it's fine. From your description, he seems very level headed and he knows what he's doing, so if it works for the two of you, it sounds fine to me.
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I think that as long as you're in control, you're fine. With Spencer XC, I have fairly firm contact, because if I let him go, he becomes flat, on the forehand, and out of control.
It's different with every horse though.
I personally think that it's extremely important to be in control XC. So, if he's letting you still be in control, then it's fine. If he's doing his own thing and completely disgregarding you in what you're asking, that's another.
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Since he is doing what he is supposed to it should be fine. That's one of those situations where you pick your battles. It's not with being thrown to the heavens when he is technically doing what he is supposed to.
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I agree with what everyone else has said. If it works for you and Dundee, and he's happy, then I wouldn't change anything.
In my jumping lessons, I ride a horse who you help him up to the jump, but then you let him do the rest. He lands on the right lead, and has a nice bouncy canter when he does it his way.
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I agree with your statement of "not being a passenger", but you and your horse have two different jobs when it comes to jumping. You set the tempo and angle, and the horse does the rest; they stride it out and jump it and land. You don't interfere with them, because you will disturb their balance.
First of all, is Dundee in a snaffle for XC? My horse, Deco, is a total seat ride and you cannot touch him in the mouth at all. I mean, when it comes to XC and jumping out in the open, I experiment with a slow twist and everything. In the open, he does need a bit more control because I hate having to give one ton half-halts. Dundee is a smart horse and you need to just keep a connection with the reins but ride with your seat. It takes a while to do, because everyone's natural reaction when the horse starts to go go go is to pull pull pull. You must remain soft in your arms, and most importantly wrist and hand. The horse cannot feel you through a steel grip, and they panic when they hit the harsh contact and go.
Hope this helps a bit! It's really just experimentation with bits and riding styles and experience out there on the XC course that you'll figure out what it is. (: Best of luck!
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If it works for you, go with it. Of the three main horses I ride, one of them sounds very similar. Cloudy needs really light contact, or he puts his head down and throws a fit. Cinnamon needs as much contact and lifting up as possible. Np, on the other hand, you can't even touch in the mouth. If you pull on her, or even try to get her into a frame, she takes off at a gallop. I used to try to correct it, but she got so uptight that I ending up falling down, and I had a very minor concussion. So basically, you're not alone. Sometimes horses chose to act like that. :)
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This has basically been said; but there's a difference between not being a passenger, and over-riding. There's a difference between doing nothing, and letting your horse do his job.
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Thanks everyone!
I ride in a Slow Twist on XC, and that's the only time he'll really haul @$$ and I've got to learn to sit down and not use my hands (my trainer gave me a long tirade on how i need to sit down or i "wont be going to another show)
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